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Marines Quiet About Brutal New Weapon

War is hell. But it’s worse when the Marines bring out their new urban combat weapon, the SMAW-NE. Which may be why they’re not talking about it, much.

This is a version of the standard USMC Shoulder Mounted Assault Weapon but with a new warhead. Described as NE - "Novel Explosive"- it is a thermobaric mixture which ignites the air, producing a shockwave of unparalleled destructive power, especially against buildings.

smaw-ne sequence.JPGA post-action report from Iraq describes the effect of the new weapon: "One unit disintegrated a large one-storey masonry type building with one round from 100 meters. They were extremely impressed." Elsewhere it is described by one Marine as "an awesome piece of ordnance."

It proved highly effective in the battle for Fallujah. This from the Marine Corps Gazette, July edition: "SMAW gunners became expert at determining which wall to shoot to cause the roof to collapse and crush the insurgents fortified inside interior rooms."

The NE round is supposed to be capable of going through a brick wall, but in practice gunners had to fire through a window or make a hole with an anti-tank rocket. Again, from the Marine Corps Gazette:

"Due to the lack of penetrating power of the NE round, we found that our assaultmen had to first fire a dual-purpose rocket in order to create a hole in the wall or building. This blast was immediately followed by an NE round that would incinerate the target or literally level the structure."

The rational for this approach was straightforward:

"Marines could employ blast weapons prior to entering houses that had become pillboxes, not homes. The economic cost of house replacement is not comparable to American lives...all battalions adopted blast techniques appropriate to entering a bunker, assuming you did not know if the bunker was manned."

The manufacturers, Talley, make bold use of its track record, with a brochure headlined Thermobaric Urban Destruction."

The SMAW-NE has only been procured by the USMC, though there are reports that some were 'borrowed' by other units. However, there are also proposals on the table that thousands of obsolete M-72 LAWs could be retrofitted with thermobaric warheads, making then into effective urban combat tools.

But in an era of precision bombs, where collateral damage is expected to be kept to a minimum, such massively brutal weapons have become highly controversial. These days, every civilian casualty means a few more “hearts and minds” are lost. Thermobaric weapons almost invariable lead to civilian deaths. The Soviet Union was heavily criticized for using thermobaric weapons in Afghanistan because they were held to constitute "disproportionate force," and similar criticisms were made when thermobarics were used in the Chechen conflict. According to Human Rights Watch, thermobaric weapons "kill and injure in a particularly brutal manner over a wide area. In urban settings it is very difficult to limit the effect of this weapon to combatants, and the nature of FAE explosions makes it virtually impossible for civilians to take shelter from their destructive effect."

So it’s understandable that the Marines have made so little noise about the use of the SMAW-NE in Fallujah. But keeping quiet about controversial weapons is a lousy strategy, no matter how effective those arms are. In the short term, it may save some bad press. In the long term, it’s a recipe for a scandal. Military leaders should debate human right advocates and the like first, and then publicly decide "we do/do not to use X". Otherwise when the media find do find out – as they always do -- not only do you get a level of hysteria but there is also the charge of “covering up.”

I'm undecided about thermobarics myself, but I think they should let the legal people sort out all these issues and clear things up. Otherwise you get claims of “chemical weapons” and “violating the Geneva Protocol.” Which doesn't really help anyone. The warfighter is left in doubt, and it hands propaganda to the bad guys. Just look at what happened it last week’s screaming over white phosphorous rounds.

-- David Hambling

THERE'S MORE: Americans aren’t the only ones with these weapons. The Chinese, the Russians -- even guerilla groups -- now have thermobarics' shockingly destructive power in their grasps.

Latest Comments

spent 9 years in the Army Special forces three of those as a Macv-4 and i wish all you typing mfs would realise this does little or no good just a place to bitch. We have seren this good country go to the dogs the last 10 or so years from no prayer in schools to no 10 commandments in the courtrooms, droping the requirments for education so the dumbest can be equal, bull shit i dont care how dumb and how much bull-shit the politics put out its time to get our act togeather while theirs still a stage to preform on.. period

Posted by: Bill D at August 24, 2009 4:31 PM


Hi Folks;

In this age where fighting terrorist organizations seems to have eclipsed in importance even the former Cold War, I have no qualms about proposing the following types of weapons systems such as might be used to attack terrorist training camps, enemies bunkers, and other hard and soft targets.

The first version of such a system I will discuss involves a duel mode lethality bomb. In essense, the device would consist of a thermobaric weapon and a shrapnel weapon such as either a large single round or a cluster bomb. The idea here is that the thermbaric round would be detonated first with all of its lethal heat and blast pressure, after which lethal antipersonel or anti armour shrapnel weapons would be set of in the same area effected by the lethal effects and sub-lethal effects of the thermobaric weapon. The idea here is that any persons lucky enough to survive the thermobaric weapon stage such as those who might have been shielded from such or who were just beyond the range of the weapons lethal effects would face a burst of lethal shrapnel which hopefully would kill them off. The shrapnel could be extraordinarilly effective at killing those who were injured by the thermobaric blast but still living, based upon these persons compromized physical state such as the onset of shock from the blast and or heat injuries resulting from the thermobaric stage.

A second type duel mode lethality weapon would involve a thermobaric device that is detonated followed by a nerve agent or other chemical agent such as Sarin, VX agents, or the binary agent chemicial weapons that were developed by the U.S. during the Cold War. The terrorists or militants who somehow survived the effects of the thermobarric stage would have to cope with the lethal effects of a chemical weapon which could be of a much smaller scope than that of the large battlefield killing chemical weapons developed and deployed during the Cold War which would not be needed on such a large scale since the physical condition of the injured but still living enemy combatants would have been highly compromized by the thermobaric charge.

A third type of dual mode lethality weapons would be one wherein a thermobaric charge is set off whereupon, a single charge or multiple bomblet charge of some increadably corrosive acid or basic chemical compound, or perhaps multiple chemical compounds, is set off with lethal effects for any survivors of the thermbaric blast.

A fourth type of duel mode weapons might entail one that sets off a web of taser like streamers by the hundreds to thousands whereupon a thermobaric weapon would be discharged afterward exposing those incapacitated to the full brunt of the single thermobaric charge or multiple bomblet thermobaric charges. The combatants thus effected could not prepare themselves for the thermobaric blast.

A fifth type of dual mode weapons would entail the deployment and detonation of a thermobaric weapon followed by a single or multiple charge traditional incendiary weapon such as napalm, white phosphorous charges, etc.

Now, other options for this technology include combining any two more more of the folowing lethal modes in any temporal sequence; Thermobaric charges, Shrapnel Weapons, Chemical Weapons, Acidic or Basic Flesh Destroying Corrosive Agents, Electrodynamic Stun Weapons such as Taser streamers, and Traditional Incendiary Charges. Thus three-mode, four-mode, and five-mode lethality weapon systems could be used. Any ot these weapons systems could be scaled up or down in size and range for appropriate targets. Also, they may be deployed as a single bomb unit or in multiple packages would could be delivered in more or less rapid sucession.

These weapons could be delivered by cruise missles, smart bombs and smart missiles deployed from manned or unmanned aircraft, or by any other
appropriate means.
For bunkers or other harnened below ground targets, a sixth element is considered and that is a combustive-corrosive charge or charges that are the subject of proposed weapons systems to defeat under ground bunkers in place of low yield robust penetrating nuclear weapons, which would still produce large radioactive clouds because the fireballs of such nuclear weapons would break through the surface of the ground over which they were detonated.

Posted by: James M. Essig at September 18, 2008 8:00 AM


I feel that thermobaric weapons offer military commanders and our political leadership a useful increase in the range of weapons systems at their disposal.

I can imagine that very large thermobaric weapons with the latest fuels with a fuel mass of 10 metric tons to 20 metric tons, if developed, could provide for combat operations that border on strategic confrontations. Thus, a strike on the strategic above ground targets and other assets with hundreds if not thousands of such units might alleviate the need for deployment of nuclear weapons with all of the radioactive fallout that would otherwise result.

Thermobaric weapons can in theory destroy the inside of underground shelters wherein communication with the above ground atmosphere would permit thermobaric weapons fuels to enter and destroy the contents of the structure with heat, blast pressure, and secondary fires.

Robust thermobaric penetrating bombs can hold super hardened underground structures and bunkers at risk provided that the bombs can penetrate into or almost into the interior of such facilities.

I have never served in the military, however, as a conservative Catholic U.S. citizen who tends to vote republican, I am in favor of a very strong national defense including the wide variety of tools at our disposal to secure our freedom.

Some will question why I hype the development of powerful weapons systems and my response is the famous quote that "The price of peace is eternal vigilance." Some folks will say that the present U.S. administration is acting like Hitler however I will counter such arguments that regimes and terrorist organizations that have no qualms with the visceral and cruel violence of suicide bombing children, mothers, and newlyweds in themselves are beyond the normal possibility of conversion. Even the acts of pedophiles who may murder a few children at most, acts which I deeply condemn, do not even come close to cruel acts such as tricking vulnerable mentally ill or mentally retarded woman into carrying suicide vests into large family oriented market crowds which then resulted in the brutal tearing of dozens of persons, infants, toddlers, children, youth, mothers, fathers, and grandparents to shreds. Believe me, these terrorists and rouge regimes will stop at nothing.

We must have peace through strength and deterrence. Rest assure, terrorists such Osama Bin Laden are planning or hoping for even more cruel attacks as I compose this message.

Posted by: James M. Essig at July 13, 2008 11:11 PM


Once a war has begun, the only sensible debate is how to win it effectively and with the least bloodshed. This particular BDM is effective; and while one may bemoan collateral losses any pragmatist knows that a war zone is a war zone. Plenty of things detonating out there. I don't quite understand the fervor over this or that particular type of explosion - seems simple. Blow up bad guys. Mk 19 40mm gl pretty destructive too - want to ban that? Stupid.

Posted by: Jeremy at February 15, 2007 2:13 AM


Great weapon and concept!
To all the bleeding heart liberals out there, you fight them there or fight them here! Which one do you want?? Get the Politicians and Media out of there and let the Military do what they do best. KILL!
Things should be censored like they were in WW II. Only let the public know what is necessary. Now, it seems like the Politicians and Media are trying to undermine the good old US of A! What ever happened to the "let's pull together and get the job done" attitude!

Posted by: Neg at February 11, 2007 5:09 PM


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